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ISBN: 0745942628
Author: Carsten Peter Thiede
Language: English
Publisher: Lion Pub; 1st edition (September 1, 2000)
Pages: 256
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Since their discoveries in 1947, the Dead Sea Scrolls have been a source of constant controversy. Scholars still argue over the meaning of the fragmentary texts-especially what they say about the Jewish roots of the first Christian communities. Discovering that the scroll fragments date Mark's gospel much earlier than once believed, Carsten Peter Thiede claims that the Since their discoveries in 1947, the Dead Sea Scrolls have been a source of constant controversy.

In this new book, controversial author and scholar Carsten Thiede turns his attention to perhaps the most enigmatic ancient .

In this new book, controversial author and scholar Carsten Thiede turns his attention to perhaps the most enigmatic ancient documents ever found in the Bible lands: the Dead Sea Scrolls. Unravelling the complex history of the Scrolls since their discovery in 1947, Carsten Thiede sets them in context by revealing what scholars now know about the Essene community which originated them. He then turns his attention to the scrolls themselves. The connections between the Jewish Essenes and the early Christians, Thiede argues, show that the early Christians saw themselves essentially as a movement within Judaism and not as founders of a radically new religion.

What can we say to people who persist in finding support for their scriptures in materials that do not in the least impinge one way or another on their faith? That is the issue facing the reader of The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Jewish Origins of Christianity. After all, he argues, no other known texts seem to fit the spacing and letter constellations we posit

Carsten Peter Thiede.

Carsten Peter Thiede.

Publication: Oxford (UK) : Lion Publishing, 2001Description: 256 p. : ill . SBN: 0-7459-5050-7. Bibliography: Includes bibliographical references (p. 230-248) and index. Subject: Свитки (рукописи) Мертвого моря - Критицизм (анализ), интерпретация, Dead Sea scrolls - Criticism, interpretation, etc Рукописи Мертвого моря - Отношение к Новому Завету /. Dead Sea scrolls - Relation to the New Testament Кумранская община, Qumran community Христианство - Происхождение, Christianity - Origin.

The vital significance of the Dead Sea scrolls for Christian origins is that they clarify and enrich our . Carsten Thiede, announced in December 1994, his discovery of a first century AD fragments of the gospel of Matthew

The vital significance of the Dead Sea scrolls for Christian origins is that they clarify and enrich our understanding of the Jewish milieu in which Jesus and the early Christians lived. The Hebrew Bible was the major fount of theological expressions and concepts for both parties. Carsten Thiede, announced in December 1994, his discovery of a first century AD fragments of the gospel of Matthew. The fragments, held in various museums, were reclassified and redated, using palæography, to around 70 AD.

Carsten Peter Thiede OCF KStJ (8 August 1952 – 14 December 2004) was a German archaeologist and New Testament scholar. The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Jewish Origins of Christianity (2003). He taught as Professor of New Testament Times and History at the Staatsunabhängige Theologische Hochschule (STH) in Basel and at the Ben-Gurion University of the Negev in Beersheba, Israel. He often advanced theories that conflicted with the consensus of academic and theological scholarship. The Cosmopolitan World of Jesus: New Light from Archaeology (2004).

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In this new book, controversial author and scholar Carsten Thiede turns his attention to perhaps the most enigmatic ancient documents ever found in the Bible lands: the Dead Sea Scrolls. Unravelling the complex history of the Scrolls since their discovery in 1947, Carsten Thiede sets them in context by revealing what scholars now know about the Essene community which originated them. He then turns his attention to the scrolls themselves. Using his own pioneering methods in restoring the papyri, Thiede has made a remarkable find amongst them: an early fragment which can be identified as part of Mark's Gospel. The connections between the Jewish Essenes and the early Christians, Thiede argues, show that the early Christians saw themselves essentially as a movement within Judaism and not as founders of a radically new religion. This perspective has major implications for the way we view not only the Scrolls themselves but also the origins of the movement that has become a major world faith, now celebrating its second millennium.

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Thiede reviews documents and fragments that have not previously been translated or have not been discussed widely. He has some detailed and exciting analyses, critically comparing with other proposals for reconstruction of fragments in Caves 4 and 7.

This book provides a thoroughly stimulating and satisfying read, handling the scenarios of history and culture in a flowing fashion that held my interest. Even with extensive notation and comparison with some other materials on the Dead Sea Scrolls, I read this technical book in only two days!

The author presents an especially fascinating reconstruction and detailed critical argument proposing that two small fragments are actually sections of two New Testament documents. He does this by way of a general review and criticism of attitudes and assumptions by previous scholars, who have automatically ruled out the possibility that documents we now know as the New Testament could have been collected at Qumran before the destruction of the place by the Romans in AD 63.

The two passages he convincingly details as present in Cave 7 are Mark 6:52-53, represented in document fragment 7Q5, and 1 Timothy 3:16-4:1, 3, represented in two document fragments designated together as 7Q4. He provides a detailed and highly reasoned proposal, in addition to the textual analysis, to show how the Qumran archives could have easily gotten documents that later became part of the New Testament.

Thiede also provides another great critical service in this volume, by reviewing all the known similarities and differences between the Essenes and the Nazarenes, later called Christians in Antioch and European history. Since the followers of Jesus were Jews, it is not startling that other messianic Jews would be interested in their documents. Especially it makes sense that an eclectic library like Qumran appears to have been would have had a copy of some or all available before AD 63.

He points out even more similarities than have previously been proposed, by criticizes the previous na�ve assumption that the Essenes were either a source of John the Baptist and Jesus' teachings, or that the Essene community became a new Christian community wholesale, or that they were totally unrelated to the new Nazarene messianic sect.

The author reviews very competently the already established fact that the first Nazarenes, or Christians, were fully Jewish, and the writers on the New Testament writing fully within the Jewish tradition. [In this regard, he also agrees with a growing numbers of commentators who feel that even Luke was not a Gentile, as traditionally proposed, but also a Jew. He points out that no commentator suggested this before Jerome in the 400s.]

Thiede emphasizes, however, that the Essenes would only have been a likely group to respond to the news that Jesus was the Messiah. He detailed the novel way in which the followers of Jesus interpreted the Old Testament passages to indicate that Jesus was the Messiah. He further uncovers more practical ties between the Essene movement and the disciples of Jesus during Jesus' lifetime.

I learned here for the first time that the Essenes had members all over Palestine and even in Syria, not just the well-known Qumran monastic community. He reviews much previous information and correlates that with recently discovered information to provide a revised, more complete picture of the Essenes and the overall messianic milieu of Judaism in the first century.
Nirad
If you are interested in The Dead Sea Scrolls and what they may mean to us, skip this book. The key word in the title is "Christianity." This book is more about Christianity than it is about the Scrolls. Thiede is shown here to be a thinly veiled fundamentalist (i.e., with a biased predisposition) who passes himself off as a scholar.

The central attraction of the Scrolls is the question of what they might mean to Christianity, because there are many parallels or commonalities between the beliefs and practices written of in the Scrolls and evidenced at Qumran, and the beliefs and practices of Christianity. I was left scratching my head as I finished this book, as Thiede's arguments essentially attempt to strip the Scrolls of their meaning. The only thing he seems interested in finding in them is any sign of something that could be construed as supporting the uniqueness of Christianity and the earliest possible evidence of the existence of New Testament texts.

To this end, he examines the fragments that he believes to be from 1 Timothy and the Gospel of Mark, and ignores other, more significant evidence of ideas in Christianity that are found first in these writings of the Essenes.

On page 189, he states, "The Dead Sea Scrolls are not representative of all strands of Judaism, nor are the Essenes the only influential force behind early Judeo-Christian thought." But the Essenes don't have to be the *only* influential force behind early Judeo-Christian thought for their contribution to be highly meaningful, with important implications for the perception of the Christian belief system. He portrays this as an all-or-nothing situation, but it is not. The idea that the Essenes converted wholesale to Christianity is not necessary to the existence of an understanding here that profoundly impacts the origins of Christianity. I think it's similar to the attempt to debunk the theory of evolution simply by stating that since monkeys still exist, the theory of human evolution couldn't be true. If evolution is a reality, that's just not how it works. It's about a *mutation* that manages to thrive and become established in its own right. Such a situation does not require all of the original species to change into the new one, but it does build upon that original line. Again on page 189, Thiede states, "Thus, it is sobering and healthy to realize that many, if not most of the central early tenets of the Christian faith have no parallels, no 'inspiration', as it were, in the scrolls from Qumran." As someone who has read and studied many of the Qumran documents, I must say that this is simply not true.

To quote from the book once more, on page 202, Thiede states, "Could a Jew expect a suffering, crucified Messiah? Most scholars assume the wider context provides the answer, and this sounds plausible: the other Dead Sea Scrolls do not know such a suffering, killed Messiah." Well what then of the Teacher of Righteousness, who lived in the mid-first or mid-second century BCE? He was apparently stoned to death and hung on a tree (or crucified). Does that not set a precedent for a suffering, crucified messiah? How does that not qualify?

That's just one example of many gaping holes in Thiede's commentary. But then again, we shouldn't be surprised - fundamentalists are exquisitely skilled in willful ignorance.

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